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Nathan Turner's avatar

Thank you for this post. I think this kind of a discussion allows for a lot of fruit to be reaped! With that said, I would like to offer some fraternal pushback. You seem to pit the privation theory of evil against Calvinistic thought in such a way that the two are mutually exclusive. I do not want to discount your experiences as a Calvinist, but I do not think that characterization meshes well with what many heavyweights of the Reformed tradition say on this issue. For example, Calvin himself explicitly assents to Augustine's privation theory of evil which is no different than what you are positing as far as I can tell (page 169 of "Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God"). Francis Turretin, who wrote the textbook that Reformed seminaries used for centuries holds to the same understanding. You can track down his thoughts in the 9th topic of his Elenctic Theology, first chapter. I can send you the relevant passages if you are interested. The last example I would put forward (with two unashamedly lengthy quotes) is the Dutch Reformed theologian Herman Bavinck.

He writes,

"Aside from the good substratum by which sin is sustained and to

which it clings, it can therefore never be defined in any way other than as

“privation of the good.” One must remember, however, that in using this

language we are speaking abstractly and metaphysically about sin. And

from that viewpoint, it has no existence, is no substance, but a

nothingness, nothing positive, but only something privative. Anyone who

wanted to conceive it differently would thereby make evil independent and

eternal in a Manichean sense and posit a supreme evil over against a

supreme good. The above objection raised against defining sin as

privation, accordingly, actually rests on misunderstanding. Abstractly and

metaphysically, sin is privation and may not, nor can from a Christian

position, be viewed in any other way." vol. 3 p. 140 of Reformed Dogmatics.

Elsewhere, and precisely in agreement to the point you make in your article, he writes,

"Thus, although sin in virtue of its own nature strives toward

nonbeing, it nonetheless has no power over being itself. It cannot create;

neither can it destroy. Accordingly, neither the essential character of the

angels, nor that of humans, nor that of nature, has been changed as a result

of sin. Essentially they are the same creatures before and after the fall,

with the same substance, the same capacities, the same powers. Both

before and after the fall, humans have a soul and a body, intellect and will,

feelings and passions. What has changed is not the substance, the matter,

but the form in which these show themselves, the direction in which they

function. With the same power of love with which human beings

originally loved God, they now love the creature. The same intellect with

which in the past they sought the things above now frequently, with

admirable acuteness and profundity, makes them hold falsehood to be

truth. With the same freedom with which they formerly served God, they

now serve the world. Substantially, sin has neither removed anything from

humanity nor introduced anything into it. It is the same human person, but

now walking, not toward God but away from him, to destruction. “Sin is

not some positive essence but a defect, a corruptive tendency; that is, a

force that contaminates mode, species, and order in the created will.” vol. 3 p. 139

So, I do not think that Calvinism (at least the variety that is historically rooted) is really incompatible with what you have said in this article. Total Depravity can be understood as a pervasive privation of good i.e. no part of the unnatural person possesses the Good in fullness. Rather, every part is lacking such that it functions defectively. The main difference I see is that the Reformed, like Bavinck hold that sin involves an ethical relation in addition to its ontological privation aspect. So, to frame it in the terms you put forward, ontologically/metaphysically speaking, the Reformed would have no issues saying humans are good. However, they would say that ethically speaking, they are not. In my view, the East has traditionally been weak on acknowledging an ethical reality and boil everything down to ontology and metaphysics (I would not say I am caricaturing since this was the precise point I read an Orthodox theologian makes on differences between East and West. You can find the article titled "Being Saved - The Ontological Approach" on AncientFaith.com). I don't accept this either/or; I think there is a legitimate both/and.

If you read this far, I appreciate your endurance and look forward to your additional thoughts/posts!

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Leighton Kennedy's avatar

Been waiting for this one! Love your thoughts and can’t wait to hear more.

So you’d say that, because sin is the absence of something Good (or True or Beautiful), we abuse our free will by grasping at things that meet those “desires” quickly rather than through God. For example, lust isn’t a “thing” its the absence or perversion of seeking love, intimacy, and physical touch -- aka it’s easier to succumb to “cheap intimacy” (lust) rather than the correct intimacy of love and desire (Godly marriage). Am I understanding this right?

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